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118: Josh Reeves, Co-Founder and CEO of Gusto, The 3-Part Alignment Framework Every Founder Needs Before Their Next Hire [ENCORE]

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What if you have been hiring wrong this entire time?

In this episode, Josh Reeves, Co-Founder and CEO of Gusto, a $10B people platform serving over 300,000 businesses, joins Alisa Cohn for one of the most practical and deeply human conversations about building teams that actually work.

This is not a generic leadership talk. This is a masterclass in how to hire people who genuinely care, how to scale a values-driven culture without losing it, and how to lead through the kind of uncertainty that breaks most founders.

Josh shares the three-part alignment framework Gusto uses at every level of hiring, why the skills conversation gets too much attention, how he fires himself from jobs as fast as possible, and what the Platinum Rule taught him about giving feedback that actually lands.

You’ll learn:

  • Why values and motivation alignment matter more than skills in the startup hiring process
  • How to scale a hiring process so culture stays intact past 50, 150, and 2,500 employees
  • What the Platinum Rule is and why it will transform how you give feedback
  • The difference between a builder and a manager (and why it matters enormously in a startup)
  • How to recognize when a leader is in over their head before it costs you too much
  • Why great talent sometimes fails at the wrong stage company
  • What Josh learned from a previous startup that shaped everything about how Gusto was built
  • The one question to ask yourself before committing to any startup idea

We talk about:

  • 00:00 Introduction to Josh Reeves and Gusto
  • 02:00 The founding story and what problem Gusto was built to solve
  • 08:00 The three-part hiring alignment framework: values, motivation, and skill
  • 17:00 How Gusto scaled their hiring culture to 2,500 employees
  • 19:00 How the CEO role evolved across 12 years
  • 24:00 Symptoms of a leader who is outpacing their role vs. one who came from too large a company
  • 29:00 The difference between builders and managers in a startup
  • 33:00 Situational leadership and why directive leadership is not the opposite of empowerment
  • 37:00 The Platinum Rule and how it changed the way Josh gives feedback
  • 48:00 Highs, lows, and leading through uncertainty as a founder
  • 59:00 The lesson from his previous startup that shaped everything about Gusto
  • 01:03:00 Final advice for founders: imagine describing your company for the 10,000th time

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